Linked by Adam S on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 16:16 UTC
OSNews, Generic OSes After a long development period, we're ready to introduce the first "release candidate" of OSNews version 4. OSN4 is a very big change for us - for years, we've worked with the mantra "We render everywhere." But with the sudden prevalence of newer web technologies, we've decided that in order to really offer the best platform for our readers, it was time to enter a brave new world. Read on for details and the link. Updated: ("read more" to see update)
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Thoughts on the new design
by iarann on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 14:47 UTC
iarann
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2006-05-14

I think my only real problem with it is everything is to the left of center. It appears more then a third of the right side of the screen is used up by links and dead space, making things a little awkward on a 20 inch monitor because everything else is shifted so far to the left. With the current version, everything is centered nicely making it easier to read. The lemonade color scheme seems a little garish as well compared to the nice subtle gray. I do like having the recent comments on the right hand side, though this site gets commented on a little faster then I can follow. I also like having direct links to some of the account things, like messages there.

RE: Thoughts on the new design
by Adam S on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 14:50 UTC in reply to "Thoughts on the new design"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

It appears more then a third of the right side of the screen is used up by links and dead space, making things a little awkward on a 20 inch monitor

As I just replied to your PM:

I use a 20" iMac at home, and I haven't had a problem with it. The thing is, it's not 1/3 of the screen - it's 255 pixels at max - shouldn't get any wider. On a 20", you should see the vast majority of the text widely spaced across the page.

RE[2]: Thoughts on the new design
by miscz on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 16:14 UTC in reply to "RE: Thoughts on the new design"
miscz Member since:
2005-07-17

Even with dynamic layout it's a good practice to limit maximum width and center the page after certain size. Wasting space is not bad but looks bad if it's not symmetric ;)

RE[3]: Thoughts on the new design
by Adam S on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 17:27 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Thoughts on the new design"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

I've limited the page to 95% of the available width to center things a little. I'll research it and maybe we'll limit it to a certain number of pixels if people still complain.

RE[4]: Thoughts on the new design
by Nalle on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 10:31 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Thoughts on the new design"
Nalle Member since:
2005-07-06

I do much prefer the percent approach rather than the pixel approach. The percent approach scales better me thinks.

Moochman Member since:
2005-07-06

I like the centered approach better as well. It's always been one of the nice things about OSNews that set it apart from other sites.

That said, my monitor's not big enough for me to see the difference. To me, OSNews v4 looks sweet!

Edited 2007-03-24 09:37

RE: Thoughts on the new design
by abdavidson on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 14:57 UTC in reply to "Thoughts on the new design"
abdavidson Member since:
2005-07-06

I see similar on my 22". The right hand area doesn't seem to be right aligned to the page so there is a chunk of dead space to the right of it between it and the page boundary.

Also I'd suggest, that the right hand stuff needs *something* to differentiate it from the main content, be that boxing it, putting some divider, but as it stands it is quite distracting when scanning across the page/articles/comments to have text just hanging there.

RE[2]: Thoughts on the new design
by abdavidson on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:13 UTC in reply to "RE: Thoughts on the new design"
abdavidson Member since:
2005-07-06

Instead of

%div id="side"%

how about

%div id="side" style="float:right"%

Just played with that in Opera (live editing) and that 'fixes' things there at least...?

RE: Thoughts on the new design
by CPUGuy on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:43 UTC in reply to "Thoughts on the new design"
CPUGuy Member since:
2005-07-06

Everything is left justified which I don't like all that much, current version of OSNews is all centered, which makes navigation easier since you aren't moveing the mouse back and forth all the way across the screen.

RE: Thoughts on the new design
by kwanbis on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 20:13 UTC in reply to "Thoughts on the new design"
kwanbis Member since:
2005-07-06

completely agree ... why, o why, it does not uses 99% of my page with? It looks really silly on my 1420 x 1024 screen.

Here is what i mean: http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/9798/wastedhc7.png

Edited 2007-03-22 20:17

RE[2]: Thoughts on the new design
by vegai on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 13:13 UTC in reply to "RE: Thoughts on the new design"
vegai Member since:
2005-12-25

Might be reserved for ads?

RE: Thoughts on the new design
by biteydog on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 09:58 UTC in reply to "Thoughts on the new design"
biteydog Member since:
2005-10-06

Centres up fine for me (1600x1200, Firefox, Opera, Konqueror) - perhaps it's been fixed now, ALTHOUGH IE6 spreads it across the whole screen (less good).

I rarely run my browser full width anyway because lots of sites crunch up to the left, and 1600 is just too wide for browsing.

I normally run Opera with 120% zoom on the page as standard (nice feature), as 1600x1200 is great for my graphics work, less good for reading in a browser.

Site looks
by trygvebw on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 14:47 UTC
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Member since:
2005-08-26

I must say i don't like the new look of the site, it kind of looks too traditional, however, the new features seem very promising.

New design
by Almafeta on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 14:50 UTC
Almafeta
Member since:
2007-02-22

CSS

RSS

Javascript


So this is the "Internet Explorer Only" version of OSnews?

At least the layout's main column is no longer fixed-width...

RE: New design
by Adam S on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 14:53 UTC in reply to "New design"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

CSS

RSS

Javascript

So this is the "Internet Explorer Only" version of OSnews?


Welcome to 2007, dude. I know this is an obvious troll, but for the record, I've tested the site in Safari, Camino, Firefox, Opera, and IE7. CSS, RSS, and JS are all cross platform technologies, most of which are better supported than browsers other than IE.

RE[2]: New design
by Damnshock on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 17:36 UTC in reply to "RE: New design"
Damnshock Member since:
2006-09-15

What about my beloved konqueror? ;)

RE[3]: New design
by Adam S on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 17:38 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: New design"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

What about my beloved konqueror? ;)


Works in Safari, should work in Konq... let me know, ok?

RE[4]: New design
by Damnshock on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 18:06 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: New design"
Damnshock Member since:
2006-09-15

It seems to work ;)

Anyway, in both firefox and konqueror, when I resize my window to a relative small size (width 900px more or less) the right menu disapears

Damnshock

EDIT: the right menu moves to the bottom of the page

Edited 2007-03-22 18:07 UTC

RE[5]: New design
by Stock on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 14:11 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: New design"
Stock Member since:
2005-08-31

Hardly extensive testing, but a quick browse around the site didn't throw up any obvious problems with Konqueror.

If I get the time I'll be doing a very thorough test. I don't like the idea of any "capable" browser missing critical features.

RE[2]: New design
by binarycrusader on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 22:31 UTC in reply to "RE: New design"
binarycrusader Member since:
2005-07-06

Indeed. It works just fine in FireFox for me.

RE: New design
by cilcoder on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 14:56 UTC in reply to "New design"
cilcoder Member since:
2005-07-06

What's Internet Explorer specific about it? Those are all standards.

RE: New design
by stestagg on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:53 UTC in reply to "New design"
stestagg Member since:
2006-06-03

CSo this is the "Internet Explorer Only" version of OSnews?


... And firefox, and Opera, (and Safari?)

Missing separators
by osterfrank on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 14:55 UTC
osterfrank
Member since:
2006-10-14

I think the current layout with the boxes around the news items is much clearer than the new layout where news items and Google ads are mixed without any kind of separators.

RE: Missing separators
by binarycrusader on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 22:29 UTC in reply to "Missing separators"
binarycrusader Member since:
2005-07-06

I agree.

I like the comments area
by JCooper on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 14:58 UTC
JCooper
Member since:
2005-07-06

The title boxes are very nice. It does get difficult viewing threaded comments though. I also think the highlight for "my comments" is a little colour-rich when compared to the rest of the site.

v Drink
by Duffman on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:00 UTC
RE: Drink
by ChrisG on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:53 UTC in reply to "Drink"
ChrisG Member since:
2005-07-09

I like the avatar feature too

I would prefer it if the navigation bar was on the left (the whole site feels slightly back-to-front to me), but thats not a big complaint to be honest.

In general, I like the changes. A bit of tweaking during the beta period and I think you'll have a winner

RE[2]: Drink
by jrlah on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 08:59 UTC in reply to "RE: Drink"
jrlah Member since:
2005-08-09

I think that the default avatar is way too intrusing. It really looks as if ssomebody is talking to himself all the time.

In general, I do NOT like the avatar idea, at leasst design-wise. The beta site looks OK and uniform now, but when people start coming up with their own avatars it will turn tur into a cachophony of shapes and colors. Perhaps limit it only to chosing one of OSNEWS predesigned avatars?

RE[3]: Drink
by Nalle on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 10:38 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Drink"
Nalle Member since:
2005-07-06

Well, that's an idea, but that would prevent people using their real picture as avatar and I find that to be a point to consider at least. I mean, I (and I suppose many other) would want to do just that.

./nalle.

Comment by karl1
by karl1 on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:00 UTC
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Member since:
2005-06-29

Love the new feature list! Congratulations to OSNews on getting the infrastructure together.

The new look is pretty scary. The OSNews logo is a little too web2.0ified for my tastes, and the "Submit News" button looks quite unprofessional. Plus, it wouldn't be a bad idea to columnize things again so that everything doesn't just flow out of everything else.

Still, always nice to see OSNews come out with a new version of the site. There has definitely been a lot of hard work that should be appreciated.

RE: Comment by karl1
by aesiamun on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 00:23 UTC in reply to "Comment by karl1"
aesiamun Member since:
2005-06-29

I think the submit button is going to be replaced...this is just a placeholder.

Well... This is not optimal
by Ben Jao Ming on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:01 UTC
Ben Jao Ming
Member since:
2005-07-26

There is too much clutter. The news features (especially the headlines) are hard for the eye to skim. And the lines of text grow too wide to read in a big window.

Here's an example of what I mean: The headlines have one indention due to the star icon on the left. Then comes the dating with another indention and then the main text with a third kind of indention and the comment count with a fourth indention. This stuff needs rational alignment.

All-in-all: Better alignment, more boxes and more spacing. That's how you make stuff easy for the eye, and that's really a key concept when you make a site that people skim through 2-3 times a day.

Sorry to say so, but I really think you can come up with something better.. or at least improve stuff.. I don't mean to say "redo the whole thing".

I like the fresh colors though. The current OSNews is a bit sad... you should do more prozac commercials ;)

Edited 2007-03-22 15:03

Hmmm...
by Snifflez on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:03 UTC
Snifflez
Member since:
2005-11-15

I'm digging the new look. Everything is so... green.

The eye... It's talking to me, the eye is talking to me! It tells me to do things... Burn things. Kill things.

Select and click for bold/italic?
by abdavidson on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:03 UTC
abdavidson
Member since:
2005-07-06

Instead of the "Add Bold" and "Add Italic" (or was well as?) how about using the

document.selection.createRange().text
document.getSelection()
window.getSelection()


functions to allow a person to type, drag select the text and click the button (which would then grab the selected text, parse it and paste it back in?

abdavidson Member since:
2005-07-06

Heh, I've been faffing about with this since I suggested it and its after 2am here so I should really stop... but... must... get it... working.

Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

Those don't work in textareas. There are javascripts out there that can capture highlighted text from a textarea, but in to get, find, and replace subsets is much more difficult.

abdavidson Member since:
2005-07-06

Oh, the text selecting functions do work within the textarea, the problem is then finding out if it was already within the textarea, and if so, replacing the existing subset (as you say).

The other conditions are all easy (because text is just added at the end of the textarea in those cases)

I'm heading off for the weekend now but if I manage to come up with something for that that you can pop in place, would you want it?

Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

whoops--- dupe.

Edited 2007-03-23 02:34 UTC

Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

Oh, the text selecting functions do work within the textarea, the problem is then finding out if it was already within the textarea, and if so, replacing the existing subset (as you say).

Beat you to it! I've already implemented it!

Feature requets
by Duffman on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:03 UTC
Duffman
Member since:
2005-11-23

I would like to be able to click on the link of pending news.

Today you can see the list of news not published, submited by readers. I would like to be able to see which article they are refering to because:
1) I don't want to link the same article.
2) Sometimes I saw interesting articles that the 'moderators' are not interested in and thus not published.

Thanks!

RE: Feature requets
by yuvaraj on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 19:22 UTC in reply to "Feature requets"
yuvaraj Member since:
2005-07-08

I feel that.. it is toooooo whiteeee...

we should be able to personalize it...

It doesnt have that elegant professional touch

RE[2]: Feature requets
by Duffman on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 08:22 UTC in reply to "RE: Feature requets"
Duffman Member since:
2005-11-23

Well, OSNews never had an elegant professional touch.

Always looked ugly.

Nice, very nice!
by SaidinUnleashed on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:04 UTC
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Member since:
2006-08-21

I must say, with a few nitpicks that I won't mention, because I don't really care that much, I really like the new schema! Bravo, my winged simian web-coding friends, bravo! i hope they give you an extra banana!

Looks good but...
by CharAznable on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:06 UTC
CharAznable
Member since:
2005-07-06

I consider the current site design to be the absolute best out of all the tech news sites I visit. It's always fast and it literally renders everywhere. We'll see if the new one matches it.

step in the right direction
by laydros on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:09 UTC
laydros
Member since:
2006-04-20

It's definitely good to see osnews step up to the plate to update a bit, and I generally like the new layout. I will agree with some other commenters that there are a few things to look at:

-new logo is too web 2.0
-things seem to be a bit left
-there should be more boxing or dividers or something to keep the meat of the content as the focus
-submit news image looks like something from a late 90's site that said "Under Construction"

OSnews is probably the most important news site to me, second only to my personal email as something that I keep up with, so it's nice to keep the simplicity to it. I'm very excited to see the preview of the new layout, and hope with some tweaks we see it soon.

works on opera mini
by fretinator on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:10 UTC
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Member since:
2005-07-06

Renders fine on opera mini on my cell.

Browser: Opera/8.01 (J2ME/MIDP; Opera Mini/3.1.7139/1644; en; U; ssr)

RE: works on opera mini
by Adam S on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 17:44 UTC in reply to "works on opera mini"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

Opera mini is served v3-mobile, not v4. But it's good to know that redirection works!

RE: works on opera mini
by Adam S on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 17:47 UTC in reply to "works on opera mini"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

whoops - my bad!

Edited 2007-03-22 17:47 UTC

Ugh...
by merkoth on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:10 UTC
merkoth
Member since:
2006-09-22

Nice features, but I don't really like the look. Too bland for my taste. That submit news button... the font doesn't does well with the overall look, and the inclination serves no purpose. The right bar really needs some love, you need better separation between blocks.

As I said, the features are great, but the look needs major improvements and polishing. Keep the good work guys!

hmmm
by Flatline on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:11 UTC
Flatline
Member since:
2006-03-06

Interestingly, none of my Firefox browsers seem to be able to render the stuff on the right side of the site (recent comments, etc.). 3 different distros and a Windows machine, and none of them seem to be able to do it (yes, javascript is turned on); it shows up at the bottom of the screen. Opera and IE seem to be fine, though...is there something I'm missing?

Edited 2007-03-22 15:12 UTC

RE: hmmm
by merkoth on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:13 UTC in reply to "hmmm"
merkoth Member since:
2006-09-22

I'm writing this from Firefox 2.0.3 Windows 2K and the right bar seems to render just fine :/

RE[2]: hmmm
by Flatline on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:18 UTC in reply to "RE: hmmm"
Flatline Member since:
2006-03-06

How odd. All my Firefox installs are 2.0.3, and I get the same thing from Ubuntu, Suse, and Slackware, as well as Win2K.

RE[3]: hmmm
by rob_mx on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:39 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: hmmm"
rob_mx Member since:
2005-08-04

It might be that your browser window is too small. It happens to me when I change the window size (the right bar is moved to the bottom)

RE: hmmm
by fretinator on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:40 UTC in reply to "hmmm"
fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

I had the same problem initially, I just had to widen my browser window.

how bout links
by laydros on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:12 UTC
laydros
Member since:
2006-04-20

I'll have to test it out later, but one of my favorite things about the current OSNews is that it actually renders very well in links, I wonder if this new version will too?

RE: how bout links
by stestagg on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 16:01 UTC in reply to "how bout links"
stestagg Member since:
2006-06-03

Well, it looks good in lynx, you get redirected to the mobile site. The main drawback is that you can't reply to, or mod comments. But reading articles & comments is easy, and looks good.

Themes
by CodeMonkey on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:14 UTC
CodeMonkey
Member since:
2005-09-22

I miss not having theme options in user preferences. It's nice to be able to switch between the blue and green themes from time to time.

Also on the front page and comment pages, I don't like how all the articles are simply separated by empty space on the page. I like how the previous setup was with each article summary and each comment being in it's own aesthetically pleasing box.

Nice
by twenex on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:15 UTC
twenex
Member since:
2006-04-21

Much nicer than the old site, particularly the "recent comments" feature.

Beta-Site
by scorptig on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:18 UTC
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Member since:
2006-03-06

OK just reading about this, first thing, top has background color, bottom does not. I'll be looking at your CSS, though I know that will evolve. The end product I am sure will be quite excellent. However If
I look at current site, it's quite excellent already.
I can see you intoducing some new features. Anyway don't rush. We shall do cross-browser testing.

RE: Beta-Site
by Adam S on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 17:40 UTC in reply to "Beta-Site"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

OK just reading about this, first thing, top has background color, bottom does not.


That's intentional; it's called a gradient.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gradient

Favicon?
by gothic on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:18 UTC
gothic
Member since:
2005-07-06

There isn't any favicon with the new logo. And I think OSnews team should do a clean up in the CSS at http://www.cleancss.com

I like more the menu in the left and the news on the right.. :-)

Good work!

RE: Favicon?
by Jedd on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:24 UTC in reply to "Favicon?"
Jedd Member since:
2005-07-06

I love the new look, except, for just that, the menu needs to be on the left. I agree with ya. ;)

Kinda OK
by Ikshaar on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:19 UTC
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Member since:
2005-07-14

* Revamp of comments is nice.

Two major dislikes:
- The lack of separation between stories (versus current "box" and space between each story which makes it easy to read through titles fast)

- The left alignment (versus current center). At least invert columns - menu/tools on left so it would make the beginning of main story around center.

RE: Kinda OK
by Nalle on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 10:48 UTC in reply to "Kinda OK"
Nalle Member since:
2005-07-06

Two major dislikes:
- The lack of separation between stories (versus current "box" and space between each story which makes it easy to read through titles fast)

I agree, but that could easily be fixed by putting background on the headline.


- The left alignment (versus current center). At least invert columns - menu/tools on left so it would make the beginning of main story around center.

I am a fan of centering the output within X% of the screen area, but that's me...

Edited for typo!

Edited 2007-03-23 10:49 UTC

Love It!
by TheRLG on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:19 UTC
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Member since:
2007-03-22

I love the new design! The only thing I would change is the font of the "Submit News" link at the top right. The "stencil" style is indicative of a fact or information, not exactly of interactivity.

Unrelated: you guys need an internet radio show! Get some guests and discuss things! That would be greattt.

RE: Love It!
by Constantine XVI on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 01:21 UTC in reply to "Love It!"
Constantine XVI Member since:
2006-11-02

The word you're looking for is "podcast", and I think they tried that a while back. It went for about 2 episdoes

RE[2]: Love It!
by TheRLG on Sat 24th Mar 2007 22:22 UTC in reply to "RE: Love It!"
TheRLG Member since:
2007-03-22

An "Internet radio show" doesn't have to be a "podcast."

Click through moderation
by DittoBox on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:19 UTC
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Member since:
2005-07-08

Finally, no more click-through moderation. Instant AJAXy moderation is mucho bettero.

A few things:

-Get rid of the huge submit news button in the corner.
-Make the text under the logo "exploring the future" darker so it can be read on the background
-Make a fixed width version of the site, 800-900 pixel ought to be enough.

Great job overall I think.

RE: Click through moderation
by ma_d on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:24 UTC in reply to "Click through moderation"
ma_d Member since:
2005-06-29

Finally, no more click-through moderation. Instant AJAXy moderation is mucho bettero.

This is true, definitely much better.


-Get rid of the huge submit news button in the corner.

Don't get rid of that button, it's a good idea.


-Make the text under the logo "exploring the future" darker so it can be read on the background

This doesn't matter, no one reads it anyway; but it is really hard to read on my CRT, easy on my LCD.

-Make a fixed width version of the site, 800-900 pixel ought to be enough.

Liquid is the way the web was meant to be, make more of it liquid if you can.

RE[2]: Click through moderation
by miscz on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 17:58 UTC in reply to "RE: Click through moderation"
miscz Member since:
2005-07-17

Liquid is the way the web was meant to be, make more of it liquid if you can.

Liquid is the way to go but I guess you didn't experience reading text spanning across 24" display ;) Even on my 19" widescreen LCD (1440 pixels wide) it's a bit hard.

Open a story...
by gothic on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:23 UTC
gothic
Member since:
2005-07-06

I think when I click to open a story it should be the comments one. Why click two times.

At the main page I can see the news text..

Looking good
by moleskine on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:25 UTC
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Member since:
2005-11-05

Thank you very much for all your hard work.

Just to my eye, but a small amount of line space between the headline (and the linked line) and then the summary text might help. And perhaps it might look neater if the summary text didn't run round the icon but stayed to the right of it?

Everything works out nicely on my widescreen here, anyway, better than do many sites which are set up for 4:3 but struggle to manage 16:9.

Ads
by ma_d on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:25 UTC
ma_d
Member since:
2005-06-29

Why don't you put the ads over to the right? I can't imagine Google is happy about the adds on the bottom, and having them on the right would even out the weight of the page a bit.

SUBMIT NEWS! - big no no
by abdavidson on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:29 UTC
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Member since:
2005-07-06

The submit news button looks painfully out of place with the rest of the site.

I'd go to putting it as "just another link" on the site, if you want it to be prominent then in the top menu but not as a huge great image there.

If it was there to try and balance out the top of the page, you need another plan for that because it looks tacky.

I like it
by yanik on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:30 UTC
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Member since:
2005-07-13

I like it, but I'd like to see a clearer separation between stories. Like slashdot, having the backgrounds of titles another color or something.