Linked by Tony Steidler-Dennison on Tue 15th Jul 2008 17:16 UTC
OSNews, Generic OSes A new Ubuntu-based Linux distribution has arrived, aimed at both Linux newbies and content creators. Boasting "out of the box" multimedia codecs, the freely downloadable PC/OS incorporates the lightweight XFCE desktop, and is said to offer a similar layout to the groundbreaking, but ultimately doomed BeOS.
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Move along: nothing to see
by porcel on Tue 15th Jul 2008 17:24 UTC
porcel
Member since:
2006-01-28

This ubuntu spin is poorly put together by Roberto Dohnert, who many of you may remember for his staunch defense of SCO in these forums.

There is nothing BEOS about what he is doing either. It's simply Ubuntu with XFCE and a BEOS imitation of the window decoration.

Not very interesting. I would love to hear what does make it interesting. Finally, most one-man projects such as this one are bound to fail, particularly when they are put together by people whose only contribution to Linux has been to spread FUD on behalf of SCO.

Edited 2008-07-15 17:26 UTC

RE: Move along: nothing to see
by helf on Tue 15th Jul 2008 17:45 UTC in reply to "Move along: nothing to see"
helf Member since:
2005-07-06

It's "BeOS". Sorry, that just gets on my nerves almost as much as /MAC/... ;)

RE[2]: Move along: nothing to see
by Nossie on Tue 15th Jul 2008 21:31 UTC in reply to "RE: Move along: nothing to see"
Nossie Member since:
2007-07-31

Its GNU/Linux

get it right!

sorry ... I just had to ;)

RE[3]: Move along: nothing to see
by jongo on Thu 17th Jul 2008 02:21 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Move along: nothing to see"
jongo Member since:
2006-01-27

"Linux" vs "GNU/Linux"

FIGHT! (LOL)
=====
01. Oral Conciseness (syllables): Linux
02. Sounds better (catchy): Linux
03. Quicker to type: Linux
04. Less obscure/nerdy (aids adoption): Linux
05. Doesn't contain a slash: Linux
06. Doesn't make the orator sound like a mute: Linux
07. No ties to GPLv3 fanaticism: Linux
08. Doesn't contain acronyms: Linux
09. Upon hearing doesn't cause bowel disruption: Linux
10. Doesn't make you look like a pedant: Linux
11. Doesn't inflate Stallman's ego any further (still waiting on Hurd): Linux

TALLY
=====
Linux: 11
GNU/Linux: 0

FATALITY! LINUX WIN!

RE[4]: Move along: nothing to see
by Nossie on Fri 18th Jul 2008 17:50 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Move along: nothing to see"
Nossie Member since:
2007-07-31

love it ;) will need to remember this for fighting off the zealots on slashdot

John.Gustafsson
Member since:
2005-08-08

A heck of a lot more made BeOS what it was, for good and for bad, but this is just plain silly and trying to grab attention. Go away, please, just go away.

helf Member since:
2005-07-06

yeah, it's pretty darn easy to make almost any OS *look* like BeOS. Getting the same responsiveness is another thing, entirely.

Something tells me....
by polaris20 on Tue 15th Jul 2008 17:35 UTC
polaris20
Member since:
2005-07-06

This won't work any better than Ubuntu Studio, and it's sure a lot uglier.

Comment by merkoth
by merkoth on Tue 15th Jul 2008 17:57 UTC
merkoth
Member since:
2006-09-22

Looks butt-ugly in general, and the pseudo tracker and pseudo pulse too.

Thanks but no thanks.

Ripoff!!
by judgen on Tue 15th Jul 2008 18:46 UTC
judgen
Member since:
2006-07-12

This is a blatant ripoff of ZevenOS (all allowed due to the gpl ofcourse). Even uses their theme for the window decorations. And ZevenOS used to use Xfce too but nowdays the IceWM, have a BeOS deskbar and many other interesting features from the BeOS. look it up zevenos.com (used to be ZeBuntu)

Edited 2008-07-15 18:46 UTC

RE: Ripoff!!
by Parry Hotter on Tue 15th Jul 2008 20:41 UTC in reply to "Ripoff!!"
Parry Hotter Member since:
2007-07-20

Speaking of GPL, both these distros seem to be playing fast and loose with the requirement to provide source code. Merely pointing to Canonical's repos does not cut it.

RE[2]: Ripoff!!
by Darkness on Wed 16th Jul 2008 00:41 UTC in reply to "RE: Ripoff!!"
Darkness Member since:
2005-08-27

well, if they are just using vanilla sources, why not?

As so many of you point it out to be ripoff, I guess they/he didn't change much code on their/his own

RE[3]: Ripoff!!
by Parry Hotter on Wed 16th Jul 2008 02:38 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Ripoff!!"
Parry Hotter Member since:
2007-07-20

There are several reasons why this is not kosher, good article here: http://www.linux.com/feature/55285

reminds me
by transputer_guy on Tue 15th Jul 2008 18:58 UTC
transputer_guy
Member since:
2005-07-08

This reminds me of the VP debate between Senator Dan Quayle and Lloyd Bentsen when DQ compares his own lack lustre career to that of Jack Kennedy to which LB comes back with

"Senator, I served with Jack Kennedy: I knew Jack Kennedy; Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy."

PC/OS, I used and still use BeOS, its my best and niftiest OS, PC/OS you are no BeOS.

This is rather annoying, the name Tracker was taken by another project for extracting meta data and was then renamed Meta Tracker. The BeOS Tracker has nothing to do with this even though the first bullet implies that BeOS Tracker is used as the desktop causing some confusion, it uses XFCE instead.

Anyway its not that difficult to hack KDE to look BeOS like, been there done that, but it still doesn't begin to compare with the feel of Tracker. I almost wish OpenTracker could have been ported to Linux as a half way step to Haiku.

Still I may just give it a try to see if they got more BeOS'ness then I could.

to quote Michael Phipps (of Haiku)
by mikesum32 on Wed 16th Jul 2008 01:54 UTC
mikesum32
Member since:
2005-10-22

"You can put a dress on a pig, but it's still a server."

Xfce BeOS lookalike
by nonesuch on Wed 16th Jul 2008 03:09 UTC
nonesuch
Member since:
2007-11-13

To be fair, Xfce probably is the best place to start building a BeOS lookalike desktop. In fact, this has been my Xubuntu desktop for a couple years: http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Haiku-ish+Smooth?content=4224... . (spam warning: my custom theme)

Unfortunately, you still can't really replicate the BeOS Deskbar, so I stick with a simple Win95 layout. The PC/OS Deskbar is a pretty poor attempt.

v Missing the point
by robertojdohnert on Wed 16th Jul 2008 07:31 UTC
RE: Missing the point
by robertojdohnert on Wed 16th Jul 2008 08:38 UTC in reply to "Missing the point"
robertojdohnert Member since:
2005-07-12
Comment by Darkmage
by Darkmage on Wed 16th Jul 2008 10:29 UTC
Darkmage
Member since:
2006-10-20

All of these crappy knockoff OS projects are doomed to failure. If you want to really clone an OS at least do what gnustep did with mac osx/nextSTEP and write a clone of the API. Otherwise you're just going to end up with a mac/beos looking app that works like a crummy linux app. Linux apps should look like linux apps. Beos apps should look/work like beos apps etc. Skins are weak and the novelty wears off quickly.

Grrrr..
by JacobMunoz on Wed 16th Jul 2008 13:50 UTC
JacobMunoz
Member since:
2006-03-17

These "look-alike" OS's really get on my nerves when they mention BeOS because it gets my hopes up, only to dash them when I see what the project really is - Linux with a Be theme.

Anyone who REALLY knew anything about BeOS understood that the interface was only the interface - it was the platform's responsiveness that made it shine. My issues with Linux's performance are similar to my issues with Windows's performance - the sludgy experience. Now I DO like Linux (btw, CompizFusion totally spanks Vista and OSX's "eye candy"), but Linux does lots of mysterious things in the background just like Windows (insert flavor here), Macs, and just about every non-microkernel OS out there (I know BeOS isn't technically a microkernel, but it feels like it is). A few minutes after I've booted the machine, I don't expect it to still be 'thinking' about crap - I have yet to find an OS that was so quiet after booting like BeOS. So throwing together a Be-dupe means nothing if you are just sitting it on the GNU/Lin kernel...

..it just puts a tear in my eye.



A 'Haiku' for the slow boot:

You take forever,
yet I've asked nothing of you.
I almost miss DOS.

Edited 2008-07-16 13:51 UTC

RE: Grrrr..
by ChrisA on Wed 16th Jul 2008 15:49 UTC in reply to "Grrrr.."
ChrisA Member since:
2006-05-06

Talk to the authors,

Edited 2008-07-16 16:01 UTC

Cloning the BeOS
by robertojdohnert on Wed 16th Jul 2008 16:09 UTC
robertojdohnert
Member since:
2005-07-12

" PC/OS is not meant to be a ground up reimplementation of BeOS. I use the BeOS as symbolism. BeOS was a very simple system that was just enough to hit the right spot. I did the same with PC/OS, I hope. I have the BeOS theme and look because basically I loved it as did one of my users when he recommended it and I made a theme for him."

My words. If you want to go knock on someones door and tell them how clueless they are for trying to recreate the BeOS with a Linux kernel, go talk to ZevenOS and tell them how cluessless and stupid they are. You all seem educated, how about you go, learn to read, read the entire site, blog and forums, ask questions instead of shooting off uninformed opinions and hate mail.

RE: Cloning the BeOS
by JacobMunoz on Wed 16th Jul 2008 17:29 UTC in reply to "Cloning the BeOS"
JacobMunoz Member since:
2006-03-17

"go talk to ZevenOS and tell them how cluessless and stupid they are"

tragically, I don't speak German..

..but you shouldn't take it personally. The idea behind PC/OS isn't bad, it's just misleading when the name "BeOS" is mentioned. I think it's safe to say that any time an OS (or desktop/wm for that matter) brings up the "Be" name, it raises expectations of a real BeOS clone (or api). Especially when the name "Tracker" is involved, eyebrows raise - then tilt to the side - then lower. Mine did.

RE[2]: Cloning the BeOS
by robertojdohnert on Wed 16th Jul 2008 18:29 UTC in reply to "RE: Cloning the BeOS"
robertojdohnert Member since:
2005-07-12

And I go through great PAINS to clear up the mess. I have never claimed to be a be clone. Its never been my intention to be a Be clone, like I said, those are big shoes to fill. The press sees a yellow WM and they think, "BeOS". This has happened since PC/OS's inception. And if people read the blog, read the site and TALK to me instead of calling PC/OS a lame attempt at something it isnt even trying to do the confusion and their disappointment would be curbed. Im happy to hear people think PC/OS is a lame attempt at cloning BeOS since thats so far from what my goals are. Just a note though, I do know of several users who are Be fans and Be users who told me, they liked what I was doing and that PC/OS is very good. If you go into PC/OS expecting to find BeOS, you will be disappointed, sorry. v2 which is coming out in the fall will have more of the focus on multimedia creation and content creation which is what I want and what I strive for.

RE[2]: Cloning the BeOS
by robertojdohnert on Wed 16th Jul 2008 20:16 UTC in reply to "RE: Cloning the BeOS"
robertojdohnert Member since:
2005-07-12

" tragically, I don't speak German.. "

Dear ZevenOS developers,

Die Bemühungen Ihrer Gruppe sind ahnungslos und unbrauchbar

Herzlichst

(Whoever is writing them)

RE[3]: Cloning the BeOS
by Leszek Lesner on Thu 17th Jul 2008 17:31 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Cloning the BeOS"
Leszek Lesner Member since:
2007-04-08

I don't think so ;)

ZevenOS and PC/OS have a different approach thats true.
We are aiming for a Distro with a BeOS Touch.
Some may find this idea stupid or simply not good.

But I believe in it. It makes fun developing and there are lots of users who like to use it. So why stop it !?

robertojdohnert on your blog you are writing:
"Im just sharing what I find useful. Isnt that what Linux and Open Source is about? sharing ideas?"

Thats exactly the point. I totally agree

PS: We aren't just a Linux with a BeOS Theme. We have take a lot of time in developing tools to make the Distro better than any other one. Take MAGI 2, videtis and gencoder for example.
Or the newly introduced Deskbar. (a optical clone of the BeOS Deskbar)

So if you want a Linux-Distro with a BeOS Touch then you feel absolutely fine in using ZevenOS.
If you want BeOS then use BeOS or Haiku or Z***.

Edited 2008-07-17 17:41 UTC